Muddy Waters

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  The folly of Watchtower's theodicy. Or, why would an all-powerful and all-wise God need to justify his sovereignty through suffering?

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  watchtower says that evil and suffering exist at present to vindicate jehovah as being the only one qualified to govern; to bear witness to man's inability to govern himself independent of god and under satan's direction.

  the claim is made that the questions raised by satan regarding god's motives as universal sovereign can only be answered by allowing humans to see the evil and suffering that results when man lives independent of god's protection and direction.. watchtower and jws seem to think that this is the best theodicy in the world.

  but there are some serious flaws in it.. 1. such a theodicy suggests that all perfect and intelligent creation, up until the advent of adam and eve, did not know god and his ways well enough to be confident that his motives as universal sovereign are pure.

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  Muddy Waters

  Bravo, Island man. I love logical thinking. Can't get enough of it now!
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  WTBTS Submissions to Royal Commission on abuse: The response document in FULL

  by JWchange in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it is not obvious if someone has already put the responses and excuses to the findings of the royal commission, by watchtower on this forum somewhere, sorry if it is already posted.

  click on the link below, and scroll down to 'submissions' near bottom of page and you can download the full document.

  if this link doesn't work.

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  Muddy Waters

  Thank you, Mephis! Wow. Shoulda known the WT was cherry picking again.....

  And yes, Vidiot, I laughed too at the euphemism, "without artifice". More like bumbling, uneducated, ill prepared, presumptuous, fools.
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  WTBTS Submissions to Royal Commission on abuse: The response document in FULL

  by JWchange in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it is not obvious if someone has already put the responses and excuses to the findings of the royal commission, by watchtower on this forum somewhere, sorry if it is already posted.

  click on the link below, and scroll down to 'submissions' near bottom of page and you can download the full document.

  if this link doesn't work.

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  Muddy Waters

  OMG, they are so full of themselves.

  Here is one excerpt from the WTs submission:

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  1. 9.26 On a global basis the honesty, candour, and quality of the elders’ evidence should be acknowledged by the Commission along the lines of that reported by Janet Fife-Yeomans at page 32 of “The Daily Telegraph” on 1 August, 2015: While people from other churches dragged to the Royal Commission have obviously been coached by PR gurus and lawyers in how to present themselves and say the right thing, the Jehovah’s Witnesses were totally devoid of artifice."

     
     
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  Legalized marijuana. It's coming to canada and I want to try it.

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as a good jw i never smoked a joint or nibbled on some brownies.

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  Muddy Waters

  Oh, and would also like to add that for anybody new to Cannabis, always start SMALL, only a puff or two (whether smoking or vaporizing) and then wait. Many first-time users feel nothing at all the first time or two and conclude that there is no effect, or that pot doesn't do anything for them. It is almost like the body has to "learn" or recognize what marijuana is.

  So start small, wait, and see what happens. When you do notice an effect, you will probably feel a slight shift of perception, somewhat similar to the feeling of having a glass (or more!) of wine or alcohol, where suddenly the room feels louder, brighter, more vivid. And then you may feel a wonderful sensation of relaxation and well-being. You may also experience a drop in blood pressure, making you feel a bit dizzy or light headed. This passes quickly. Some people also notice an increase in heart rate, and this too passes quickly. If you have any heart irregularities or damage, using Cannabis may be contraindicated for you. Though not toxic, there are some effects not desirable for certain situations or compatible with other medications. It is not innocuous, despite its safety and non-toxicity.

  It can also be a lot of fun, enabling great conversation, laughter, insight, compassion, clarity, energy, or peace, connection, stress relief, sensitivity, serenity, awareness, wonderment, appreciation, and creativity. It's like it relaxes the brain, too, and opens up new possibilities and ways of looking at things. I like to think of it as a "balancer" yet sometimes it can make you feel unbalanced. It is very mysterious, cool plant - it feels like a gift from the universe. It has the ability to be BOTH stimulating and sedative, one of the few or only plant/drug capable of doing this. So there is a "shaman-like" quality about marijuana. Very cool. And when energized and yet feeling so at peace and connected to everything, there is (for me, anyway) a side effect of wanting to put flowers in my hair.... and start painting, singing, writing novels, composing poetry and songs.... Dancing, exercising, riding bike, walking dog... Cleaning house... All at the same time.....
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  Legalized marijuana. It's coming to canada and I want to try it.

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as a good jw i never smoked a joint or nibbled on some brownies.

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  Muddy Waters

  I am fascinated by marijuana. It is such an incredible plant. It's use is not for everyone, though.

  As to uncomfortable psychological effects, yes, I have experienced this too. Certain strains can produce effects like paranoia and anxiety more so than other strains.

  Bob Marley had a saying, "Pot reveals you to yourself. But don't believe everything it tells you, either!"

  I have found that the inner journey that one can embark upon when using certain Sativa-dominant strains (more likely to cause psychological discomfort than Indica strains) can definitely be uncomfortable. Cannabis can reveal a person's insecurities and flaws and highlight them in vivid, painful light. It is not easy to face personal demons, but some of these insights were helpful toward beginning an acceptance and love for myself, and to heal wounds from the past, and to notice whether these impressions are true, false, or a bit of both. Cannabis can make one painfully self-aware or self-conscious.

  It is much more enjoyable to have an outward-journey than an inward journey.

  So while it is not for everyone, many people can find a strain which is useful for them and their needs. There are medical strains which have little to no THC (which gives most of the psycho-active effects) and these high-CBD strains are proving very helpful with pain, spasms, seizures, among other conditions.

  
  

  
  
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  Which Spiritual belief system or non belief system is right for you?

  by Giordano in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we have done this before but we have a fair number of newbie's on this site and some are struggling with the question about other belief systems and non belief.

  where are you now in your own mind?

  here's a quiz http://www.selectsmart.com/nontheism/ that is pretty accurate, at least in my case as to where i am at this point in my life.

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  Muddy Waters

  Well I don't know how accurate are my results, I did not use the slider at all, so every question or answer carried the same "weight". But I got:

  Unitarian Universalist - 100%

  Secular Humanist - 94%

  Jehovahs Witness - 0% - YAY!!!

  Now I have to see what the heck a "Unitarian universalist" is! lol
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  2016 CA videos

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  download links (get 'em while they're hot!).

  imitate jehovah-- morning.

  imitate jehovah -- afternoon.

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  Muddy Waters

  I watched a bit here and there, thank you for posting this. It's just so horribly boring now, crushingly boring, mind-numbingly boring, dreary, depressing, full of drudge and gloom.... Horrid, awful. Did I mention boring??

  And they expect people to be *drawn* to them, lol.

  But I am glad to have these links.
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  Scriptures that will never be the YEAR TEXT

  by ttdtt in

  1. social
  2. humour

  so what scriptures do you think will never make the cut?i will start off with one to warm you all up.. 1 corinthians 4:6 - do not go beyond the things that are written,.

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  Muddy Waters

  Psalms 146:3 - "Do not put your trust in princes (nobles), nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation."
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  New GB video: Why Reduce the Number of Special Full-Time Servants?

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  watchtower released at tv.jw.org a new gb video with samuel f. herd, with the theme:.

  why reduce the number of special full-time servants?.

  it seems there is a reason to release this special message.. http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodstudio/pub-jwbrd_201511_4_video.

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  Muddy Waters

  Wow!! Thank you. I wonder what the talk is on jwtalk about this???
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  2015-11-18-BOE--Credits to jwfacts!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thanks to mr. jwfacts we now have a copy of this letter.

  i would have posted it on his thread but there was already 2 pages of replies and i didn't think the link would be seen.. thank you again mr. facts!.

  .. click the green download button.. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/bbduxaa.

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  Muddy Waters

  Amazing. The hubris, the arrogance. Asking "humble, spiritual shepherds of the flock" to evaluate and guess at a person's educational qualifications, certifications, accreditations, degrees, etc.

  They would get better results just coming out and asking the congregations... But no, it has to be secret and hush-hush, lest any of the rank and file start wondering too much and begin asking questions.....